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Author Topic: A serious question for fellow christian parents?  (Read 125 times)
republicanb0b
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« on: November 05, 2008, 06:03:05 AM »

I am on my husband's e-mail account, so if this isn't the right place I apologize... I'm new to this.

My son, Tyler (11), last year began displaying signs he may suffer from homosexuality.  We found him playing with barbies.  At first, we tried to simply correct this behavior.  Later, his asked  his friend Chad to be his boyfriend.

 We waited and waded through the muddy waters with our priest, and for a couple months of 40 hours of therapy a week.  We found a program called NARTH, who was willing to treat his homosexuality for the sickness it was, rather than playing the Devil's game and just pretending he can't help it.  

He has been out to a NARTH camp, to help him be more of a boy and stop acting like a girl.  We are worried, that when we allow him to come home, he will still be resistant to god's way.  My husband has tried strict discipline, and god help us...we even bought him adult magizines as recommended by his psychiatrist to help him aquire arousal for girls.

If he isn't better by time he gets home, our last resort is a family vacation my husband planned.  Our NARTH psychiatrist suggested we take him to have electro-shock therapy.  It is illegal to do in the US, for good reason.  It erases all of someone's memories, and makes them a blank slate.  I hate to do this to my son, but he's leaving us with little choice... better this than let him just burn in hell for all eternity.  He's my son and I love him...

I'm bringing multiple questions to you.  Have any of you ever been through this?  Are there any other alternatives than E.S.T.?  I don't wanna erase my little boy, but nothing godly has come out of that child  for a long time now.
What is a troll?
We have tried prayer, we pray as a family  many times a day.  If you are one of those progressive christians, who think the bible only says the things you want it to.. you can get lost.   This question is for real Christians, who follow unmodified Christianity.

Yea, well when we pray now.. he often fights us.  He has even said, "f*** god." I'm worried this process will work, and then just make him hate god.  The EST was my hope of finishing this off, and making my little boy into a god fearing man...

My priest is correct, and his preaching is in coordination with the bible.  I respect you progressive christians, you at least allow jesus in your heart... but don't tell me how to raise my son if it's against my religion.
Does any true Christians have anything constructive to say?
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 06:19:04 AM »

Troll.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 06:26:05 AM »

Troll troll is troll.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 06:55:05 AM »

Wow.. I am simply stunned, that is some really new.. Buying adult magazines for your 11 year old son.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 07:31:04 AM »

Please, PLEASE, don't do the electrical shock...The only way to fix this is through prayer...Electrical shock would show you don't trust God...
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 07:55:05 AM »

Love your son for who he is.  Do not trust a priest or any other person of faith.  Your son needs your undying love and support.  The people who will answer you here are strangers.  Take their advice for what the advice of a stranger is worth.  Your son is your family, your flesh and blood.  Accept him as he is and love him with all your heart.  
This is not what the church will tell you but it is what Jesus would tell you.  Never confuse your church for your God.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 08:19:04 AM »

I'm sorry. I'm having a hard time believing you are real, and not a troll. I am familiar with NARTH, and doubt that either they would suggest the adult magazine, or the EST.  

Under no circumstances, do the EST.  But on the other hand, I think you are just playing us all anyways for a good laugh.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 04:19:07 PM »

 It sounds like you've tried everything but prayer. And this may be just a phase. I think your scaring him too much and may do more harm than good.
 Love him and pray for him and God will do the rest.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 06:19:06 AM »

Ditch your church that's headed by a "priest" and join a
Bible-believing Church where you will find scriptural and practical answers to these problems.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2008, 07:26:04 PM »

He is your son, and a son of God. YOU are not to judge him. How horrible that his parents think "something is wrong with him". You may not be happy, but he is only 11 years old-get a grip.He is probably thinking something is wrong with him and you don't love him....that's right..you don't love him. How dare you consider EST?? It's illegal for a reason. While you are at it, why don't you just pay for sex change operation and make him be whoever you think he should be.I hope and pray that someone turns you in for child abuse, should you go through with this. You will answer to God and we will see who burns in hell.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2008, 10:45:09 AM »

a good leather belt and lots of prayer will help you to turn him around. if that doesn't work you need to get a good deprogramming intervention. if all fails then the boy is a total loss's and ya just need to drive him in to the city dump him at the buss station and tell him not to return to your home till he has found the lord again.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2008, 10:55:09 PM »

You bitch! He can't help it! What you are doing is sick and cruel! Electro shock won't work because he is not mentally ill! I say you accept him as he is, otherwise you will lose him to either suicide or him deserting you. He will probably just edn up gay again when his memories come back. Do you think what your doing is Godly?
If satan is real, he's in you and your husband, not you son! I hope this is a joke!
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2008, 08:31:06 AM »

I am a Christian and feel that homosexuality is not necessarily evil.  I know what it says in the Bible, but it says a lot of things in the Bible that we have largely discounted as not being culturally relevant to the 21st Century.  Ask yourself which is the greater evil: that you let your son (who is after all only eleven!!) work out his sexuality for himself, or that you allow him to be tortured and abused (and I don't just mean physically I mean emotionally too).

Many little boys play with dolls, and form close friendships with other boys.  A lot of children experiment sexually, and this does not necessarily mean anything sinister.  If you say you love your son, please leave him alone and don't emotionally abuse him any more than you already done, you will cause irreparable damage if you do.

Here is some info from the British organisation, the Lesbian and Gay Christian Fellowship.

http://www.lgcm.org.uk/
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2008, 03:19:08 PM »

Pray for your son, don't let no psychiatrist tell you to buy adults magazines for him. Rebuke that devil, and released the spirit of  homosexuality in your child. Tell the devil to take his hand off of him. Will keep him in prayer.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2008, 09:45:08 PM »

I am a Jehovah's Witness and it is their belief that homosexual acts are a filthy and perverted practise, something detestable to Jehovah, whether practised by males or females.
The truth is that your son will only resist his homosexual desires if he has the willpower to do so.Even then he might find it difficult.
The following articles may be of help:

www.watchtower.org
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2008, 02:26:10 AM »

I feel so sorry for your child, I really do.

When did you decide to be straight?  Answer me that, and we might be able to talk about your own denials, rather than your child's simple difference.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 06:31:06 AM »

If you aren't a troll then you are the one in need of a psychiatrist.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2008, 10:03:37 AM »

I can sense you are desperate, but E.S.T.?  Have you prayed fervently about this?  Remember that your child is an individual with feelings, maybe you should just step back for a minute and think, what's best for his growth and development?  He's getting to the age where he should understand God, it's his decision on whether to accept or reject Him and by the way that you are going he is going to have such a horrible view on God that he will probably reject Him and become gay anyway when he's an adult.  Don't damage your child.

Edit:  How dare you judge anyone on whether they're a Christian or not.  You came on this site for help, people are giving it to you.  If you don't like our answers then maybe you should seek someone who is qualified in this situation to help you.  Obviously you don't believe your pastor or you wouldn't have come to us for help.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2008, 04:03:10 PM »

All I can say is wow! I don't think anything anyone says can help how you feel. If you take the argument nature versus nurture in your eyes you've done nothing wrong so how did you baby become homosexual?
My answer from experience is that it's how they develop in the womb and not to say that it's a malfunction or it's genetics gone hay-wry but it's nature....happens too most species along the way so why not homosapiens? Love others as you love yourself?
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 06:27:41 PM »

Dont buy adult magazines for your boy! Why would you do this? Sure - go to a therapist if you need to but the best therapy is God! Are you following Gods rules? Cos it doesnt sound like it.

What is your relationship like with your boy? Do you truly know him and are you actually interested in him or do your conversations revolve around doing chores, hows school etc?? Do you know if he likes music, if so, whos his favorite artist? Things like this are important.

Above all, read the scriptures and pray. Get him involved in that sort of thing and get him to know God. Pray with him, make time for that a few times a week, if not every day. Its so important.

Proverbs 22 : 6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Not this electro-shock therapy!! What are you thinking? You will possibly do more harm than good.
I know that homosexuality is a sin, but you shouldnt take away your sons memories. If he has no memory of how he was before, when he comes to know God he wont have any prior recollection of the mistakes he made and how far he has come.

Read, pray, get a relationship and good communication going.
Just remember, if you want change, change comes from the top which means you. You and your husband are the head of the household, so it is possible you are not doing the right things. Change your hearts, pray, read and invite God to live within your house.

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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2008, 09:03:05 PM »

I'm a conservative, Bible-believing Christian who once even served on the Mission field . . . . so, . . . . I'm not some liberal who does not believe in, or care about the Bible.

Love your son.  God does.  

Whatever he is struggling with, feeling . . . he didn't "ask" to be that way.  

Long, long ago . . . in a galaxy that now seems far, far away, I used to say,  "I'd rather my daughters to be a drug addict, than gay . . . . because at least no one is going to tell her, drugs are ok, or that there is a drug-users parade . . . . "

Guess what?   My daughter is now a recovering drug addict . . . .

There are worse things than a son who is gay.

Even if you take the Biblical view that this is a sin, and wrong . . . . you need to remember that the Corinthian church had Christians who had that as part of their baggage.  

Read 1 Corin. 6:9-11    He lists all the sins that God will not accept, or tolerate . . . and then says, ". . .and such were some of YOU, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified . . . "

Straight Christians sometimes end up having sex out of marriage.  (Like, . . . 90%)   Does God forgive them?   Does he see fornication as "better" than homosexual sin?   God sets the rules, YES, but God also knows we are made of flesh and we all sin.   "The wages of sin is death but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life."

Love your son.   God does.

Dan in Miami  
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2008, 11:26:13 PM »

You're sick...  You should be the one seeing a therapist.  I'm honestly just stunned that people like you are even aloud to have children.

How about you stop worrying about the afterlife, because 'newsflash'... heaven and hell do not exist!  You're poor son does not deserve to go through all that just because his parents are a bunch of wackos...  Wake up to yourself.
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2008, 02:03:12 AM »

I am a church going christian and I am gay. I have a friend who is Mormon and did EST after her parents made her feel so terrible about her sexuality. She said that you can not imagine the pain it is like torture. Anyways it didn't "work" . She is scarred from it emotionally feels like her parents don't accept her. It was not a good thing. And she is still gay and in a wonderful relationship with her "wife".  And just something you might want to look into a little more....you don't have to take my word from it but the word that is translated from the original language of the bible to mean homosexual in english is actually pedophile literally translated so think about that before you go "abusing" your baby.  Good Luck and I will pray for you that GOD gives you wisdom what to do here.
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2008, 06:19:07 AM »

I suggest you convert to a religion that isn't stupid and then the problem will go away all on its own!
Your son isn't going to burn in hell for eternity, and even if that preposterous unfounded stupidity were possible, it's HIS responsibility to choose. YOUR responsibility is to raise him in an environment of love, which you clearly are not doing.
Rather than putting your son through electro-shock 'therapy', I have a better idea. Kill yourselves. You would be doing the world a far greater service.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 07:45:05 AM »

get lost yourself you gay basher! Yet another damn kid fooling around Y!A.
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2008, 09:26:11 AM »

put down the bible, and think about your son for a change. This something he cannot change, nor did he choose to be this way. No amount of prayer or shock "therapy" can change him. Talk with him about this, and learn to embrace it instead of looking for abusive ways to change it. Many lawyers and judges consider shock therapies use on this subject grounds for child abuse . If you truly cared about your son, you would love him unconditionaly. If you go through with this, I firmly believe that you do not deserve a child.
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